Why Gohan can use Super Saiyajin

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Why Gohan can use Super Saiyajin
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 27 2015, 01:34 AM Post #1
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	This is probably a topic for the movies, but all the evidence comes from the manga and guidebooks covering the manga, so I figured I'd just put this here. Anyway. It's been a mystery why for a while now as to why Gohan is suddenly able to use SSJ in these newer movies and GT. However, I think I've discovered the reason Gohan can use Super Saiyajin. Let's first look at how Gohan become's the mightiest warrior: Strength Checker Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P4.1-2 Gohan: “Ho-how can I turn into this mightiest of warriors!?” Elder Kaioshin: “You transform into that Super whatever-it-is a lot, right? You’ll be fine if you just get the gist of that, and throw in a kiai.” Gohan: “The gist of Super Saiyan…I-I got it…!” The underlined statement at first glance seems totally pointless, but when you consider what a Kiai is supposed to be, I think you'll understand where I'm going with this: Daizenshuu 7: Special Attack Dictionary This attacks one's opponent by firing an invisible, gigantic bundle of ki. It is a technique where a super-fast bundle of ki attacks the opponent and sends them flying. Goku used it during his death-match with Freeza on Planet Namek. A Kiai is a surge of incredible power, and Super Saiyajin is an amplification technique. How I believe this works is that Gohan begins to use Super Saiyajin to amplify his power, and uses a Kiai to unleash all of his energy at once. This process amounts to Gohan's ascension to the mightiest warrior, and is why not using a Kiai in the process will merely yield the usual transformation into a Super Saiyajin. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Apr 27 2015, 02:28 AM.
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EMIYA	Apr 27 2015, 01:48 AM Post #2
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I'm getting really grammatical here but it does say "AND" throw in a a Kiai. I don't even know what the Kiai is for anyways to be honest. So its basically saying, get into the gist of going Super Saiyan...and then throw in a Kiai for good measure.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 27 2015, 01:52 AM Post #3
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Dark Matter Apr 27 2015, 01:48 AM I'm getting really grammatical here but it does say "AND" throw in a a Kiai. I don't even know what the Kiai is for anyways to be honest. So its basically saying, get into the gist of going Super Saiyan...and then throw in a Kiai for good measure. I know it says and. Becoming the mightiest warrior is going SSJ and unleashing all your energy in the form of a Kiai. If you don't throw in a Kiai, you just turn into a Super Saiyajin.
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FutureProtagonist	Apr 27 2015, 01:59 AM Post #4
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	I always felt that Kiai in that context isn't referring to it as a ki technique, but rather as a yell. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Apr 27 2015, 01:59 AM.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 27 2015, 02:04 AM Post #5
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	FutureProtagonist Apr 27 2015, 01:59 AM I always felt that Kiai in that context isn't referring to it as a ki technique, but rather as a yell. A Kiai is a surge of invisible Ki in Dragon Ball.
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SSJ	Apr 27 2015, 03:53 AM Post #6
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Let's be real though, Elder Kaioshin doesn't know f*** all about Saiyan transformations.



EMIYA	Apr 27 2015, 04:14 AM Post #7
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Let's be extra real, at the rate Toriyama's going, the entire Boo Arc is going to get retconned. Boo's no longer Bibidi's creation Babidi is Bibidi's double Gohan's going Super Saiyan Vegeta's getting random rage boosts he was never implied to get before You wait people, give a couple of months and I'll guarantee you Yamcha won't exist anymore. Edited by EMIYA, Apr 27 2015, 04:15 AM.



+ Yusuke	Apr 27 2015, 05:25 AM Post #8
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Zoom	Apr 27 2015, 07:22 AM Post #9
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	So why can't Gohan use the kiai in FnF?



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 27 2015, 11:41 AM Post #10
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	hellobooboo Apr 27 2015, 07:22 AM So why can't Gohan use the kiai in FnF? He didn't need to power up to his Ultimate state.
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+ Clearin	Apr 27 2015, 11:53 AM Post #11
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	It was never stated Gohan couldn't turn Super Saiyan after receiving his power up. There's no stated reason for why it gives him a power boost again, but I go with the fact that Super Saiyan merely gives him back the power he lost by not training.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 27 2015, 12:23 PM Post #12
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Dark Matter Apr 27 2015, 04:14 AM Let's be extra real, at the rate Toriyama's going, the entire Boo Arc is going to get retconned. Boo's no longer Bibidi's creation Babidi is Bibidi's double Gohan's going Super Saiyan Vegeta's getting random rage boosts he was never implied to get before You wait people, give a couple of months and I'll guarantee you Yamcha won't exist anymore. -I never really believed Boo was Bibidi's creation in the first place. It just seemed too powerful to be manifested by a lowly wizard. -Meh, it's really no different than Piccolo's situation. Piccolo refers to his former self as his father, last I checked anyway. -Nothing really confirmed he couldn't. -Yeah, I don't get this one either, but then, Vegeta was never given an opportunity to rage over a loved one. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Apr 27 2015, 12:24 PM.
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Xfing	Apr 27 2015, 07:04 PM Post #13
Posts: 817 Group: Member Member #5,616 Joined: January 11, 2011	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Apr 27 2015, 02:04 AM FutureProtagonist Apr 27 2015, 01:59 AM I always felt that Kiai in that context isn't referring to it as a ki technique, but rather as a yell. A Kiai is a surge of invisible Ki in Dragon Ball. I'm also inclined to believe he just meant a yell. I fail to find significance in Kiai's aspect as a technique.



sekzee	Apr 27 2015, 07:07 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,336 Group: Member Member #11,101 Joined: March 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Firefaux Favourite Manga Nein	Hey, remember that time Gohan yelled to transform into a SSJ2? I remember. Again, sometimes I wonder if we all watched or read the same series here.



FutureProtagonist	Apr 27 2015, 07:47 PM Post #15
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	I would appreciate it if you could avoid being passive-aggressive, although given the way you've done so in practically every one of your posts in the past, it doesn't seem likely. (hey look, I'm doing it too) Perhaps the Elder Kaioshin is saying that a yell will help him transform, perhaps like it has in the past, as you so aptly pointed out. Given that Gohan's transformation to Ultimate is practically identical to every other transformation in the series, until someone can point out the effects of this Kiai (if it is indeed a blast of ki), I'm inclined to believe that the Elder Kaioshin simply pointed out that a yell might help to focus his ki. Excepting the part about "ki" that's what a real life Kiai is supposed to do. Until someone can point out the difference between, say, these three transformations, that's what I'm sticking with. Spoiler: click to toggle Edited by FutureProtagonist, Apr 27 2015, 07:51 PM.
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